Bill and ted meet death

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure - Wikipedia

bill and ted meet death

If he did find out about his death, he would have probably been OK with it, It's probably good then that Bill and Ted had already met their future wives by the. Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey () and the You Sank My Battleship Instead, they meet Death who challenges them to a contest but they. Travel guide to filming locations for Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure (), Bill And Ted's Bogus Journey location: Bill and Ted meet Death: Vasquez Rocks.

Besides if he executed everyone who insulted him there would be no one around to rule over, or an army to conquer much of Europe. Did Napoleon speak English either? Would he have known the modern meaning of "dick"?

Bill & Ted / Headscratchers - TV Tropes

Yeah, all Napoleon would've had to do was give one order and his army—Oh, wait, right. He was just an unarmed, overdressed man who didn't speak the language he was being insulted in. Napoleon was a leader; even if he was going to order an execution, he wouldn't be the one doing it, and he had no army to do it with. Plus, he had no power at all. Were they in his royal court of France in his proper time, then yes he could've had them arrested and did to them what he pleased.

He had a sword on his person. But he's not Ax-Crazy. Even if he could understand the boy which, as said, is pretty doubtful anywayit's a stretch to say Napoleon, while lost in a strange new world surrounded by people speaking a foreign language, would suddenly just grab his sword and start killing people. Even if he'd like to, he's smart enough to know that he doesn't have any sort of authority in this situation.

Remember, Napoleon didn't inherit the title of Emperor, he earned it through military conquest and political skill. Plus, it's a bratty kid who called him that. Is he supposed to be so petty as to dignify a child's rudeness with Disproportionate Retribution? Give the guy some credit for having a bit of honor. And for not being an Ax-Crazy psychopath who personally butchers children if they insult him. Is there any historical record that Napoleon would've done something like arrange the execution of an entire family?

If you want to have an emperor do something like that, then you go make your own movie. Don't think I'll be rooting for the emperor, though Quite the contrary, in fact; Napoleon's rule saw the introduction of the Napoleonic Code to France, one of the most influential civil codes ever and which with modernizations and modications over time is still a fundamental part of the French legal system, and which basically was one of the key elements that helped France transform from a near-feudal society where the people in charge basically could execute entire families at a whim to one where the rule of law applied.

Make no mistake, Napoleon was hardly a nice guy, but despite the title he was no Caligula. Shouldn't Napoleon have freaked out six ways from Sunday when he met Joan of Arc? She's only the literal patron saint of his empire, for cryin' out loud! Maybe Napoleon didn't place much emphasis on Joan until the meeting. Or it could have been seen as celebrating the saint. Also, she was canonized inwhile Napoleon's reign ended in although he'd have a three-month second tenure the following yearand he died inso she wasn't yet even a saint.

It should also be pointed out that Napolean spent most of his time with Ted's younger brother and his friends. He didn't meet Joan until the end when it came time to do the presentation. That said, why didn't Billy the Kid freak out when meeting a former president? Why didn't Freud freak out when meeting Beethoven? Wouldn't all of the Western historical figures be impressed to meet Socrates?

Wouldn't most of them be scared of Genghis Kahn? There isn't enough time in the movie to deal with all of that. Besides, since it was a movie aimed as mostly teens, they would probably find such scenes boring and confusing.

If anything, wonder the opposite: Joan had dedicated her life to ensuring that the ancient Capetian dynasty remained on the throne of France, and now it turns out that, a few hundred years later, they got overthrown anyway, and here's the usurper.

All things considered, she took it surprisingly well. I'm just wondering at the viability of our future Messiahs if they are so quick to abduct a quasi-cannibalistic sociopathic warlord like Genghis Kahn and then release him into a crowded California mall. He attacked a mannequin with a metal bat Why didn't they pick up Hitler? At least he never killed anyone with his own hands Well, he did sign with his own hands the documents that allowed The Final Solution to take place. Bill and Ted probably didn't want to pick up Hitler because even they knew he was a totally bogus dude dickweed.

Genghis Khan gets a pretty bad reputation.

bill and ted meet death

While his armies were certainly composed of barbarians, he himself was quite an intelligent and capable leader. Life in the Mongol Empire was actually pretty okay — local elections, rather than a feudal system; the first postal service; women treated comparatively better than they were in Europe; etc.

And if you don't accept that Bill and Ted knew about his qualifications as a leader consider this: Hitler, in addition to being a total dickweed, was a tiny little failed painter. Actually, I'd be willing to argue that Khan actually being a pretty cool dude makes their decision to set him loose even more confusing. Surely Bill and Ted, just barely being acquainted with Hollywood History let alone the real thing, would think he's a horrible, violent person?

After going through 1. This troper didn't like the look of the beards either. On the other hand, the alternative would've been to cosmetically age them by a few years, and seeing those two looking, y'know, even remotely mature might have made their fans' heads asplode. This is actually a joke in the comic book continuation. Pretty much everyone hated the facial hair, which is is why it was very quickly removed. If dialing the phone number for San Dimas one number lower takes them into last night, then why should Bill and Ted worry about the clock in San Dimas "always running"?

They should be able to have complete control over when they get back. Hell, Ted has a trash can materialize out of thin air at the precise moment he needs it, and they're worried about missing the report. They have to worry about the clock because they're getting older. That means that if they travel back in time for a year, when they show up for the presentation, they are a year older.

If they travel around for 50 years, they will show up at the same moment - 50 years older. They also need to sleep, eat, etc, they aren't simply in a place where time doesn't affect them Rufus explaining that "the clock in San Dimas is always running" gives their adventures a deadline; considering how much time they spend goofing off BEFORE they get a time machine, they'd probably spend a couple of years using the booth to see vintage Sabbath and Maiden concerts, or getting drunk in the Old West.

The deadline is basically a semi-lampshaded excuse to move the plot forward in a time travel movie. And Rufus giving no justification to it can be lumped in with what Bill and Ted simply don't know about time travel technology.

Forget that they're historical figures; no one is going to buy that story. They committed a federal offense. Just because Ted's dad realizes that they're part of Ted's report does not mean they're off the hook; they should have faced some serious jail time themselves Considering that the future people were willing to give two complete bozos like Bill and Ted a time machine in order to preserve the future society, this is almost certainly what happened.

Ted's father is obviously pretty influential in the police department, and the fact that he's clearly impressed and happy about Ted actually buckling down and studying and doing so well in the presentation probably turned him around from looking for any excuse to bust Ted's balls and instead had him doing something supportive like making the issue of a jail break go away.

bill and ted meet death

Why was Beethoven arrested along with the other historical figures? I mean, he didn't do anything wrong, aside from possibly hogging the piano, and even then the music store owner could have just thrown him out.

It seemed like the music store owner was trying to throw him out, and probably called the cops when that didn't work. On the subject of Beethoven, why would he be impressed with a synthesizer keyboard? The man was at least partially deaf when he composed Fur Elise He was playing it when Bill and Ted kidnapped him- and he didn't seem to notice a phone booth landed just behind him. Possibly he'd stopped by a shop that sold hearing aids first?

My understanding is that Beethoven was stone deaf, so a hearing aid wouldn't have helped. I have to admit, this bugged the hell out of me the last time I saw the movie. The answer's mostly just Rule of Coolbut maybe it was the lack of vibration rather than the sound that intrigued him about the keyboard.

Perhaps he felt just enough vibration from the speakers to realize it's working, but since the keys don't use strings he could play it a whole lot faster than an ordinary piano. Beethoven didn't go completely deaf until aboutand could still hear although poorly as late as Fur Elise was composed between and Beethoven probably figured out how to turn the volume on the keyboards all the way up, which is why he was having such a good time playing.

He was playing the music obnoxiously loud, in order to let him hear. This most likely annoyed the store-owner who after asking for him to leave called the police. I also wondered this. It seems to me that any reasonable shopkeep would have loved the free publicity Beethoven was bringing to his store. Seriously, look at that crowd! Free publicity is only good if the crowds actually buy something.

If not, they're just a bunch of rubberneckers cluttering up his store listening to some crazy-dressed guy perform an impromptu concert for free. Even if they do not buy anything today, the store's profile and memorability has been boosted and positive associations between the store and potential customers' minds have been created which greatly enhances the probability of many members of that crowd coming in in the future.

'Bill & Ted 3' Script Includes Return Of William Sadler As Death

Reducing it to a case of not buying anything on that visit so not a valuable activity undervalues the long term benefits of publicity. Yes, but the store owner has to consider the present as well as any hypothetical future. That a few of those people might possibly come back at some hypothetical point in the future doesn't change the fact that he's not getting any actual business done now become some jerk has decided to use one of his keyboards without asking or paying him, let us note to throw an impromptu concert that is clogging up his store with people who aren't paying for anything.

His store isn't a free concert venue, and only a handful of those people are likely to come back and buy something. There's publicity, and then there's some guy essentially taking over his place of business and shutting it down without getting his permission to do so or giving him any money to compensate for the interruption.

I know the first movie more or less runs on Rule of Funnybut still, how did the writers ever expect their notion of time travel to work? Rufus has to travel to the past to help the guys pass their history report to save the future The writers didn't even try to come up with some valid reason why the timeline goes askew, it just does. I saw this movie when it first came out in the theater, and even at age ten or so I still thought this was bullshit.

The second movie at least has a viable villain to explain the timeline change. He told Ted that he wasn't to leave the house until after the report. That was probably why the three most important people sent Rufus to intervene. Rufus went back to the past to start the chain of events that leads to the utopia he lives in. He always was the one to do it, and he always succeeded in doing it. That still doesn't answer the question though. Assuming you're right, there are at least two possibilities for what happened in the very first iteration of the timeline: At the very beginning, one or the other had to happen in order to create the utopian future that Rufus is supposed to protect, so why does he have to be involved at all?

The only way your theory can work is if the time loop has been going on, unending, since the beginning of time itself; otherwise it had to start somewhere.

And anyway, even assuming you're right, doesn't that remove any sense of urgency from the movie? I hope this is making sense and I'm not talking out my ass. Needless to say I still love the movies despite all this blathering, or else I wouldn't be blathering in the first place.

  • or sign in with your Comicbook.com ID:
  • Featured Posts
  • The Arcade on Instagram

It's a Stable Time Loop. The utopia Rufus comes from exists because he went back in time and helped the heroes pass the test. The suspense comes from the fact that the audience doesn't know this yet. If they failed, Ted's father was going to send him to an Alaskan military school. They never would have formed Wyld Stallions. There is no Wyld Stallions music to inspire the world. I believe that was the logic spelled out by Rufus at the beginning of the movie.

That was spelled out at the beginning of the movie which is pretty much why the question was asked. If Rufus was able to come from a utopian future to save the utopian future The threat to the future was the presentation, so as someone has already pointed out, either they could have passed it without Rufus and did, making Rufus's future even possible for him to leave or they were able to influence the world even after they failed.

Rufus COULD have come from a dystopian future that somehow figured out they could have averted the misery by having Wyld Stallyns pass, thus giving him a mission to change the future Otherwise, this cycle of Rufus saving the presentation has never been and will never be in danger because there is no other outcome It also necessarily removes suspense.

The audience can see he succeeds in the first cycle of time loop because he knew the outcome of his success. Who says that the very first time-line was utopian?

Bill & Ted Might Meet Death Again in Third Movie

Or maybe they just barely passed it by extreme studying and just barely made a utopia. The people from one line in the future saw that it was way too close to leave to 'chance' and decided to intervene. And we get maybe the tenth or the seventh or even the second time.

Or maybe De Nomolos snuck back from Wyld Stallyns-Utopia and, in a first attempt to change the past in his favor, anonymously arranged for the pair of them to win concert tickets on the night when, in the original time-travel-free timeline, they'd finally buckled down and written their history reports.

They go to the concert instead, putting history in peril and necessitating Rufus's intervention. None of these arguments can change the fact that any hypothetical Rufus-free timeline could never work. Because Rufus informs them at the end that the two medieval-era princesses were also in the band. Even if the boys had passed their history test on their own, Wyld Stallyns would still be missing its keyboardist and drummer without Rufus's help.

This, again, assumes the Princesses were always in the band. Maybe in the timeline where they didn't time-travel or Rufus didn't rescue the princesses, Bill and Ted just went through a revolving cast of backup bands who of course went on to have awesome careers because of formerly working with Wyld Stallynsand it's just on this particular iteration that the girls got added to the band and thus, by Rufus' reckoning, always have been.

It's possible that the utopia was created through iterations of timeline changing, not through one journey. In that first future, Bill and Ted may have been obscure musicians who showed untapped promise before their breakup.

Why does De Nomolos pass out revised history books before the timeline has changed? How does he know how history will unfold?

bill and ted meet death

Or is he just guessing, or doing it out of ego? Definitely ego, he had it planned so well in his mind that no one could stop him. Of course Bill and Ted foil his plans. He doesn't care what will actually have happened. That's the history he plans to teach when he's in charge, whether it's true or not.

He's about to change the timeline to how he wants it to be - as also outlined in those books. Why did Joan of Arc hijack the exercise class? I understood everyone else's actions, but that just seemed random. Maybe she took it for military training and was getting them ready to fight the English? Yeah, I think her thought process was "oh, they're in combat training! But I've never seen this style before. Hey, it looks like fun!

Presumably, the time machine could have taken any form since it starts out as a fairly abstract-looking crystalline structure made out of gold or brass or something. Why not, say, a tree or a rock? And worse yet, why does nobody comment on it? Bill and Ted escape after giving Death a "melvin".

In Hell, they are tormented by Satan, made to face their own fears, and realize their only escape is to take Death's offer.

Taken to Death's chambers, the spirit gives them the option of what game to play. Death admits defeat and unwillingly becomes their servant. Bill and Ted recognize they need to locate the smartest person in the universe to help build robots to counter De Nomolos' evil robots.

Death escorts the two to Heaven, and with God's help, are directed to an alien named Station who readily offers to help Bill and Ted. Death brings them back to the mortal world, where it is the night of the Battle of the Bands. Bill and Ted take Station to a hardware store, and then race in their van back to the concert while Station constructs good robots.

Just as the evil robots take the stage, Bill and Ted arrive, and Station's robots easily defeat the evil ones. De Nomolos appears in the time booth, ready to defeat Bill and Ted himself, and overrides the broadcasting equipment to send the video footage of this to everyone on the planet. The two recognize they can later go back in time to arrange events for De Nomolos to be trapped in the present, aided by Death and Station; though De Nomolos is apparently able to do the same, Bill and Ted gain the upper hand with the explanation that it is only the winners who get to go back, and De Nomolos is arrested by Ted's father.

Wardroe reveals herself to be a disguised Rufus, having assured Bill and Ted's spot in the concert, and urges them to play.